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-原创 Vladimir Megre 阿纳丝塔夏家园 1周前
+原创 Vladimir Megre [[阿纳丝塔夏家园]] 2020.7.19
 弗拉狄米尔· 米格烈（Vladimir Megre）
 生态村不是祖传家园
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 （Keep hold of the vision!）
 （保持愿景！）
 原文：俄罗斯官网
 翻译整理：Lily
 编者按：原题目-保持愿景，根据文中主题思想，改为：生态村不是祖传家园。
 I believe it is necessary to discuss whether settlements consisting of kin domains (family homesteads) can be termed "eco-settlements"? We return to this question because to continue the continuous actions of certain forces resolve at all costs to rename Kin Domain Settlements "eco-settlements". This occurs partly from misunderstandings about the people who initiate Kin Domain (Family Homestead) settlements, and a lack of awareness that the collocation "Kin Domain settlement" (or "Family Homestead settlement") refers to something else completely, with an independent, self-contained meaning. I use the phrase 'certain forces', but I will also specify what these forces are when it is appropriate. It is also important to understand why it is necessary to do so. Kin Domain settlements and eco-settlements are two different things which have nothing in common with one another.
 我认为有必要讨论由祖传家园（家庭居住地）组成的居住区是否可以称为“生态村”？我们回到这个问题上来，是因为某些力量持续不惜一切代价，决心将“祖传家园居住区”重新命名为“生态村/生态定居点”。部分原因是因为人们刚开始了解祖传家园时所产生的误解和缺乏认知，“祖传家园”（或“家庭居住地”）指的完全是其他东西，有着单独的含义。我使用了“某种力量”一词，但我将在适当的时候说明这些力量指的是什么。对于了解为什么要这样做也是很重要。祖传家园和生态村是两种不同的事物，彼此之间没有共同之处。
 Let us start by examining the features of whatis known as an "eco-settlement".
 让我们先从了解“生态村”的特点开始
 Let us start by examining the features of what is known as an "eco-settlement". We can do this by looking at how Russian and English language websites describe eco-settlements. Take this excerpt, for example: "It is believed that eco-settlements were started by hippies in the early 60s. They moved away from populated areas, meditated, sang songs and planted carrots"¹. Therefore, by calling eco-settlements 'Kin Domain (Family Homestead) settlements', we are agreeing that they have their roots in the 60s hippy movement.
 让我们先从了解“生态村”的特点开始。我们可以看下俄语和英语的网站是如何描述生态村。用以下摘录为例：“人们认为生态村是由嬉皮士在60年代初开始的。他们远离了人口稠密的地区，冥想、歌唱和种植胡萝卜”。因此，我们认同把生态村称为“KinDomain（祖传家园）”是起源于60年代的嬉皮运动。
 欧洲8个国家的10个生态社区
 Let us look further.
 让我们进一步看看
 Here's another internet article which cites the 10 most influential eco-settlements in the world. At number one is Auroville². I discuss this eco-settlement n my fifth book, "Who are We?" in the chapter entitled "The Auroville Dream". I will recap the main points here.
 这是另一篇互联网文章，其中引用了世界上十大最具影响力的生态村。排名第一的是曙光村。我在我的第五本书《我们是谁》中“ 曙光村的梦想”这一章节，讨论了这个生态村。在此我将重述一下要点。
 The founder of the eco-settlement, Miira Alfassa (commonly known as "The Mother"), was alloted land and money for the project by the Indian Government (although members of the eco-settlement were not given land or property.) The land was alloted in 1968 with the intention of amassing up to 50 thousand settlers, however, at the time of writing the population of the settlement is about 2000. As we can see, the eco-settlement never successfully developed, despite the many advertisements and speeches about the spirituality of the place. Because Auroville failed to develop effectively, it failed to amass followers. By contrast, in 2001 over 400 settlements approaching 37,000 family residents came into being in Russia. See the difference? And yet the leader of Auroville was handed free money and land (as were, incidentally, several other so-called eco-settlements). What is more, Auroville had been established for considerably longer than the Russian settlements. In other words, the eco-settlement movements of the world do not develop. If we start calling the founders of Kin Domain settlements in Russia and other countries founders of eco-settlements, we can imagine getting reports of the same unstable developments in these settlements as is experienced by eco-settlements around the globe. And, as you can probably imagine, this initiative didn't come from Russia, but the west. You can read more on the topic in a pretty good article called "What to initiate - a Kin Domain (Family Homestead) Settlement or an Eco-settlement?"³.
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 斯拉夫诺耶祖传家园聚落（上）
 Now let us return to the framework of the Kin Domain settlement as described by Anastasia. At the heart of it is the word "rodovoe" ("kin" or "patrimonial") itself, with the root: rod
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 Rodoslovnaya (ancestry/ family tree)
 Rodnoe (home/ native).
 现在让我们回到阿纳丝塔夏描绘的祖传家园的框架中来。它的核心词是“rodovoe”（“家族的”或“祖传的”）本身，其词根为：rod
 Rod (物种/种族/家庭).
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 It was precisely these connotations that inspired people to initiate Kin Domain settlements. It gave them the strength to imagine a beautiful future and bring it to life. It depicts an energy that raises us up on the spiritual plane. Man depends on that energy as a fundamental part of his being. Anyone is free to deny themselves this vision. However, if they do this, the energy will quietly depart from their lives. When a person finds herself without a spiritual core, she will fall apart, unless the vision for the future that she rejected is exchanged for another that is equal in strength. However, we don't witness this downfall in our Kin Domain settlements. Perhaps we are more aware of that energy that raised us up, and continues to raise us spiritually?
 恰恰是这些含义激发了人们创立祖传家园，给了他们力量想象美好的未来并将其实现。它描绘了一种把我们带到精神层面上的能量。人们将这种精神能量作为存在的基础。任何人都有权利否认自己的愿景。但是，如果他们这样做，这个能量将悄悄地离开他们的生活。当一个人发现自己没有精神上的核心时，他会崩溃，除非他将否认的未来愿景换成另一种同等的力量。但是，我们在祖传家园中没有看到这种现象。也许我们更了解那种使我们成长并继续在精神上提升我们的能量？
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 On the official Kin Domain settlement sites, it doesn't say anything about eco-settlements but, nevertheless, this term is used all over the internet to describe even my Kin Domain settlements. There's even a film with that title that thanks Anastasia and I in the credits: "warm thanks to Anastasia and Vladimir Megrе”.
 在官方的祖传家园网站上，并没有提及任何有关生态村的信息，但尽管如此，该术语还是在整个互联网上用来描述我的祖传家园。甚至还有一部电影的工作人员字幕中要感谢阿纳丝塔夏和我：“衷心感谢阿纳丝塔夏和弗拉狄米尔·米格烈”。
 斯拉夫诺耶祖传家园聚落（下）
 In recent times, official sites have started to recognise the strength in the Russian settlement movement. For example, in one program about the development of the far East which was endorsed by the president of the Russian Federation, there is a section on 'Kin Domain (Family Homestead) settlements"⁴.

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		+	原创 Vladimir Megre 阿纳丝塔夏家园 1周前
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		+	弗拉狄米尔· 米格烈（Vladimir Megre）
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		+	生态村不是祖传家园
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		+	（Keep hold of the vision!）
		+	（保持愿景！）
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		+	原文：俄罗斯官网
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		+	翻译整理：Lily
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		+	编者按：原题目-保持愿景，根据文中主题思想，改为：生态村不是祖传家园。
		+	I believe it is necessary to discuss whether settlements consisting of kin domains (family homesteads) can be termed "eco-settlements"? We return to this question because to continue the continuous actions of certain forces resolve at all costs to rename Kin Domain Settlements "eco-settlements". This occurs partly from misunderstandings about the people who initiate Kin Domain (Family Homestead) settlements, and a lack of awareness that the collocation "Kin Domain settlement" (or "Family Homestead settlement") refers to something else completely, with an independent, self-contained meaning. I use the phrase 'certain forces', but I will also specify what these forces are when it is appropriate. It is also important to understand why it is necessary to do so. Kin Domain settlements and eco-settlements are two different things which have nothing in common with one another.
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		+	我认为有必要讨论由祖传家园（家庭居住地）组成的居住区是否可以称为“生态村”？我们回到这个问题上来，是因为某些力量持续不惜一切代价，决心将“祖传家园居住区”重新命名为“生态村/生态定居点”。部分原因是因为人们刚开始了解祖传家园时所产生的误解和缺乏认知，“祖传家园”（或“家庭居住地”）指的完全是其他东西，有着单独的含义。我使用了“某种力量”一词，但我将在适当的时候说明这些力量指的是什么。对于了解为什么要这样做也是很重要。祖传家园和生态村是两种不同的事物，彼此之间没有共同之处。
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		+	Let us start by examining the features of whatis known as an "eco-settlement".
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		+	让我们先从了解“生态村”的特点开始
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		+	Let us start by examining the features of what is known as an "eco-settlement". We can do this by looking at how Russian and English language websites describe eco-settlements. Take this excerpt, for example: "It is believed that eco-settlements were started by hippies in the early 60s. They moved away from populated areas, meditated, sang songs and planted carrots"¹. Therefore, by calling eco-settlements 'Kin Domain (Family Homestead) settlements', we are agreeing that they have their roots in the 60s hippy movement.
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		+	让我们先从了解“生态村”的特点开始。我们可以看下俄语和英语的网站是如何描述生态村。用以下摘录为例：“人们认为生态村是由嬉皮士在60年代初开始的。他们远离了人口稠密的地区，冥想、歌唱和种植胡萝卜”。因此，我们认同把生态村称为“KinDomain（祖传家园）”是起源于60年代的嬉皮运动。
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		+	欧洲8个国家的10个生态社区
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		+	Let us look further.
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		+	让我们进一步看看
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		+	Here's another internet article which cites the 10 most influential eco-settlements in the world. At number one is Auroville². I discuss this eco-settlement n my fifth book, "Who are We?" in the chapter entitled "The Auroville Dream". I will recap the main points here.
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		+	这是另一篇互联网文章，其中引用了世界上十大最具影响力的生态村。排名第一的是曙光村。我在我的第五本书《我们是谁》中“ 曙光村的梦想”这一章节，讨论了这个生态村。在此我将重述一下要点。
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		+	The founder of the eco-settlement, Miira Alfassa (commonly known as "The Mother"), was alloted land and money for the project by the Indian Government (although members of the eco-settlement were not given land or property.) The land was alloted in 1968 with the intention of amassing up to 50 thousand settlers, however, at the time of writing the population of the settlement is about 2000. As we can see, the eco-settlement never successfully developed, despite the many advertisements and speeches about the spirituality of the place. Because Auroville failed to develop effectively, it failed to amass followers. By contrast, in 2001 over 400 settlements approaching 37,000 family residents came into being in Russia. See the difference? And yet the leader of Auroville was handed free money and land (as were, incidentally, several other so-called eco-settlements). What is more, Auroville had been established for considerably longer than the Russian settlements. In other words, the eco-settlement movements of the world do not develop. If we start calling the founders of Kin Domain settlements in Russia and other countries founders of eco-settlements, we can imagine getting reports of the same unstable developments in these settlements as is experienced by eco-settlements around the globe. And, as you can probably imagine, this initiative didn't come from Russia, but the west. You can read more on the topic in a pretty good article called "What to initiate - a Kin Domain (Family Homestead) Settlement or an Eco-settlement?"³.
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		+	生态村的创始人MiiraAlfassa（通常被称为“母亲”）是由印度政府分配给她该项目的土地和金钱（尽管生态村的成员没有分配土地或财产）。该土地是在1968年分配的，目的是聚集多达5万名定居者，然而在写此文时，居住区的人口约为2000。我们可以看到，尽管有很多广告和演讲宣传这个地方的精神，但生态村并未成功地发展起来。由于Auroville得不到有效的发展，因此无法积聚追随者。与之相比，在2001年，俄罗斯有400多个居住区家庭居民人数共接近37,000个。看到区别了吗？然而，Auroville的领导人却获得了自由的金钱和土地（顺便说一下，还有其他一些所谓的生态村）。而且，Auroville建立的时间比俄罗斯居住区要长得多。换句话说，世界上的生态村运动并没有发展。如果我们开始拜访俄罗斯祖传家园的创始人和其他国家的生态村创始人，我们可以想象得到的都是关于这些居住区不稳定发展的报告，就像全球生态村居住区所经历的那样。并且，您可能已经想到，这项倡议不是来自俄罗斯，而是来自西方国家。您可以在一篇不错的文章中找到更多有关该主题的信息，该文章名为“如何发起祖传家园或生态村？
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		+	Many readers of the "Ringing Cedars" book series understand the difference between the phenomenon known as an eco-settlement and that which is depicted by the phrase "Kin Domain (Family Homestead) settlement". Sadly, not everyone does. Let's imagine a situation: What happens when someone who hasn't read Megre's books says something like, "Around 400 eco-settlements have already been established in Russia!" That person then searches the word 'eco-settlement' on the internet and finds the top-10, with Auroville in first place. And if she wants to know more about the eco-settlement movement, where does she turn? Exactly. She goes to Auroville. And so, if we call our Kin Domain setllements 'eco-settlements', we'll have to start emulating the Auroville experience, seeing as it's the number one eco-settlement in the world.
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		+	《鸣响雪松》系列丛书的许多读者都了解生态村的现象与“祖传家园”一词所描绘的现象之间的区别。可悲的是，并非所有人都清楚。让我们设想一下：如果没有读过《鸣响雪松》系列书的人说“在俄罗斯已经建立了大约400个生态村！”，会出现什么情况？这个人然后在互联网上搜索“生态村”一词并找到前10名，曙光村排在了第一位。如果她想进一步了解生态村运动，她会去哪里？没错。她会去曙光村找。因此，如果我们将祖传家园称为“生态村”，我们将不得不开始效仿曙光村的经验，因为它是世界上第一大生态村。
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		+	斯拉夫诺耶祖传家园聚落（上）
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		+	Now let us return to the framework of the Kin Domain settlement as described by Anastasia. At the heart of it is the word "rodovoe" ("kin" or "patrimonial") itself, with the root: rod
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		+	Rod (species/ race/ family).
		+	Rodina (fatherland/motherland)
		+	Rodoslovnaya (ancestry/ family tree)
		+	Rodnoe (home/ native).
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		+	现在让我们回到阿纳丝塔夏描绘的祖传家园的框架中来。它的核心词是“rodovoe”（“家族的”或“祖传的”）本身，其词根为：rod
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		+	Rod (物种/种族/家庭).
		+	Rodina (祖国)
		+	Rodoslovnaya (祖先/家谱)
		+	Rodnoe (家乡/当地居民).
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		+	It was precisely these connotations that inspired people to initiate Kin Domain settlements. It gave them the strength to imagine a beautiful future and bring it to life. It depicts an energy that raises us up on the spiritual plane. Man depends on that energy as a fundamental part of his being. Anyone is free to deny themselves this vision. However, if they do this, the energy will quietly depart from their lives. When a person finds herself without a spiritual core, she will fall apart, unless the vision for the future that she rejected is exchanged for another that is equal in strength. However, we don't witness this downfall in our Kin Domain settlements. Perhaps we are more aware of that energy that raised us up, and continues to raise us spiritually?
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		+	恰恰是这些含义激发了人们创立祖传家园，给了他们力量想象美好的未来并将其实现。它描绘了一种把我们带到精神层面上的能量。人们将这种精神能量作为存在的基础。任何人都有权利否认自己的愿景。但是，如果他们这样做，这个能量将悄悄地离开他们的生活。当一个人发现自己没有精神上的核心时，他会崩溃，除非他将否认的未来愿景换成另一种同等的力量。但是，我们在祖传家园中没有看到这种现象。也许我们更了解那种使我们成长并继续在精神上提升我们的能量？
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		+	So, how to respond to the question "Are you an eco-settlement?" Let's resolve this together. I think you can say something like this: "We attentively and thoughtfully take care of the nature around us and, furthermore, we strive to improve the environment. However, we are not an eco-settlement, but a settlement that consists of family homesteads."
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		+	因此，如何回答“你是生态村的吗”这一问题？让我们一起来解决它。我认为你可以这样说：“我们专心周到地照顾周围的自然环境，此外，我们还在努力地改善环境。但是，我们不是生态村的，而是祖传家园”。
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		+	On the official Kin Domain settlement sites, it doesn't say anything about eco-settlements but, nevertheless, this term is used all over the internet to describe even my Kin Domain settlements. There's even a film with that title that thanks Anastasia and I in the credits: "warm thanks to Anastasia and Vladimir Megrе”.
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		+	在官方的祖传家园网站上，并没有提及任何有关生态村的信息，但尽管如此，该术语还是在整个互联网上用来描述我的祖传家园。甚至还有一部电影的工作人员字幕中要感谢阿纳丝塔夏和我：“衷心感谢阿纳丝塔夏和弗拉狄米尔·米格烈”。
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		+	斯拉夫诺耶祖传家园聚落（下）
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		+	In recent times, official sites have started to recognise the strength in the Russian settlement movement. For example, in one program about the development of the far East which was endorsed by the president of the Russian Federation, there is a section on 'Kin Domain (Family Homestead) settlements"⁴.
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		+	最近，官方站点开始承认俄罗斯家园运动的力量。例如，在俄罗斯联邦总统认可的一项关于远东发展的方案中，就有“祖传家园”这一部分。
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		+	The "People's Front" launched a contest for the best ivision for the future of Russia.⁵ People talked about Kin Domain settlements in some of the clips⁶ filmed for the contest. Teachers and settlement founders held a conference at MSU (Moscow State University) titled: "International Scientific and Practical Conference on the 'Role and Conditions for the Development of "Kin Domain Settlements'".
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		+	“人民阵线”发起了一场争夺俄罗斯未来最佳愿景的竞赛。人们在为竞赛拍摄的一些片段中谈论了祖传家园。老师和居住区创始人在莫斯科州立大学（MSU）举行了题为“祖传家园发展的角色和条件的国际性科学和实践会议”的讨论。
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		+	We must understand and protect our vision. Not merely protect but understand its foundations!
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		+	我们必须理解并保护我们的愿景。不仅仅是保护而是了解它的基础！
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		+	Respectfully,
		+	Vladimir Megre
		+	尊敬地
		+	弗拉狄米尔·米格烈
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